LEYTONSTONE: Maverick artists help pay Cartrain's Hirst debt
11:20am Thursday 26th February 2009
A GROUP of artists have raised money for a Leytonstone teenager who was threatened with legal action by Damien Hirst – by selling their own works which parody Hirst’s art.
The Brit Art pioneer threatened to sue 17-year-old graffiti artist Cartrain over an unauthorised use of his iconic work, For the Love of God.
Cartrain, who styles himself on Banksy, incorporated pictures of Mr Hirst’s famous diamond-encrusted skull sculpture, into a series of his collages. He later settled out of court and paid Mr Hirst £200.
Now a group of artists called Red Rag To A Bull, who campaign against heavy-handed copyright control, have created their own art works based on Mr Hirst’s sculpture, and have sold copies of them online.
The sales of the works have raised £200, which they have handed back in “compensation” to Cartrain.
James Cauty, a former member of legendary 1980s pop duo The KLF and also known for later burning £1m with the K Foundation, was at the forefront of the artists’ exercise.
He said: “I just think lawyers should not be involved in the creative process.
“What Cartrain was doing is something that all artists have done.
“He fancied using a bit of Damien Hirst’s work but added to it himself. If it was a case of simply bootlegging Mr Hirst’s work then it would be different.”
Cartrain, who has never revealed his true identity, said: “James Cauty inspired me to become an artist along with Banksy – I am amazed he would want to help me out."
Red Rag To A Bull says the creation and sales of the works were not intended as a crusade against Mr Hurst, but were intended as a “creative exercise” to mock the “overbearing, thoughtless approach to copyright control.”
Other members of Red Rag To A Bull include punk album designer Jamie Reid and artists Billy Childish and John LeKay.
Damien Hirst obtains Cartrain « Result #16 on Nov 12, 2008, 5:24pm »
Recently talks have been going on with me, 100artworks, and Damien hirsts team. Damien has Requested interested in the artworks ( For the love of God ) personally and he has now obtained them though a deal made with me. The artworks as of today are now in his possession and not much more can be said. Well done to everyone that purchased one before Hirst got involved
The artwork comes with a official Cartrain cardboard mount just like the artist's street pieces. The mount is stenciled on one side and is not glued to the artwork.
« Last Edit: Nov 7, 2008, 11:00am by 100artworks »
Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #43 on Jan 27, 2008, 10:33pm »
"The point is cartrain went over me, dont rant at me for picking on "some kid half my age " (how do you know old I am anyway??" _________________________________________
First of all, you put your age on your previous profile.
Secondly, this is considered a forum for people who like cartrains work.
Thirdly, you really need to get on and evolve with your life. Materials and resources have changed to make life easier.
I used to compete in snowboard comps in the 90s. Boards have changed, and kids learn their tricks on trampolines now. The sport progresses and evolves, and so has graffiti. You can either get with the times and appreciate the new work coming out, or you can stay bitter.
Also, your graffiti is only temporary. Think of it as a time share that you've illegally obtained. You probably pissed off the dude that owns the wall you vandalised, and on top of that, he thinks that your work is crap. So now you know how it feels to be the property owner when cartrain covers up your sh!t.
By the way cartrain, the above paragraph is a perfect example of the term "double standard". How about you make a stencil that says "take your double standards and shove it up your ass" and spray it over some of fateric's wonderful work.
Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #44 on Jan 21, 2008, 12:56pm »
No Im not putting my work on the net, what I write is not the issue...
The point is cartrain went over me, dont rant at me for picking on "some kid half my age " (how do you know old I am anyway?? that said he is probly less than half my age)
Yes that was a drunken rant, but I stand by what I said, dont go over people. Simple.
The problem we have today is all of these kids who can bite a style from the internet, go and buy good paint made for artists, or worse still cut a bloody stencil.... etc etc.. I wonder how well these kids would cope if it was like the old days, nuts carpaint that you had to rack, limited caps, no internet, no mobile phones, no mag, no digi cams, Im not saying this is a bad thing, the point is it was tougher then in many ways which put a lot of people off and cut out the talentless wanabees....
Where as now kids stumble over ekosystem on the net, think hey this is cool, I could do that, pick a name gay name, 100 photo copies and a trip to Shoreditch later they think they are mister big stuff.....
....and as for a work off.. please dont insult me... when I see a cartrain T2BWC (painted without the use of stencils) I might respond.
Re: Dear Cartrain... « Result #45 on Jan 15, 2008, 7:13pm »
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Really? So c0ck face c unty wanker was taken then???
Shame, as that suits you loads more.
I think that if you changed your name to howaboutyes that you wouldn't be such an envious miserable bastard. Just because your old man came home from the bar and beat you as a kid, doesn't mean you have to take it out on cartrain.
Re: Dear Cartrain... « Result #51 on Dec 16, 2007, 8:14pm »
ok i'll show u some of my stencils i just have to find them and take pics i haven't put any out on the street yet cause it's freakin cold and i can't afford any paint which sucks... lol Planeboat funny i like that
lol i guess sometimes u just get lucky and find a name that sounds good and fits well with u i like urs cartrain it just sounds so good
Dear Cartrain... « Result #55 on Dec 13, 2007, 8:45pm »
Hey what's up? i'm new to ur fourm as u can see... and i was just wonder how u came up with ur name? cause i can't seem to find one that works and i have been thru quite a few... but anyways i really enjoy ur work even tho i live so far away from london so i can only see it over the internet i've really just gotten started in stencils and most of mine suck so bad.... but anyways just wanted to say hi and ask my question. peace
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Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #56 on Dec 12, 2007, 11:22pm »
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Cartrain. You must have your head in the clouds. Let me explain it to you, the golden rule - dont go over other peoples nuts, Pieces over throw ups is ok, Throw ups over tags is ok, Pathetic Artf*g stencils over any of those is not ok. Your crap over my work is very not f**king ok. Its not worth starting a war with you because your a joke, but if you ever so much as go near me again I will hunt you down and break f**king hands off.
Who are you?
Maybe people would like to see Cartrains work more than yours He could be doing us all a big favour covering yours up! who knows Can you post some pics of your work then please?
Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #57 on Dec 12, 2007, 12:15pm »
you're a real tough guy fatboy, picking on a kid half your age.
you should do the rest of us a favour and encourage him to lay his stencils and collages over your "wonderful" work. it's much more pleasing to the eye.
Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #58 on Dec 12, 2007, 12:09pm »
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Cartrain. You must have your head in the clouds. Let me explain it to you, the golden rule - dont go over other peoples nuts, Pieces over throw ups is ok, Throw ups over tags is ok, Pathetic Artf*g stencils over any of those is not ok. Your crap over my work is very not f**king ok. Its not worth starting a war with you because your a joke, but if you ever so much as go near me again I will hunt you down and break f**king hands off.
I think you missed a "your" in your statement. Its break YOUR f**king hands off, not break f**king hands off. That could be referring to any hands, even yours and I really doubt you want to break your f**king hands off now do you, that would be just down right stupid.
Then again, judging by your poorly structured statements, maybe you do want to break your own f**king hands off?
Re: Cartrain works for sale? « Result #60 on Dec 11, 2007, 10:48am »
Cartrain. You must have your head in the clouds. Let me explain it to you, the golden rule - dont go over other peoples nuts, Pieces over throw ups is ok, Throw ups over tags is ok, Pathetic Artf*g stencils over any of those is not ok. Your crap over my work is very not f**king ok. Its not worth starting a war with you because your a joke, but if you ever so much as go near me again I will hunt you down and break f**king hands off.
Re: Been Quite Busy - The Youngster « Result #64 on Dec 4, 2007, 11:57pm »
bit controversial that last one, although it had Cartrains tag next to it it certainly isn't his work. I heard or read somewhere that he was intending a piece right next to that, he tagged first, then got disturbed. And never went back.
Been Quite Busy - The Youngster « Result #72 on Nov 30, 2007, 9:33am »
I liked this one, it didn't last long (I didn't take it)
One of my favourites.
the ol rocking horse gets re-used quite a lot
This one has been tagged "blasphemy will be avenged" - so steer clear of synagogues, temples, churches and cathedrals, you have had a pop at them all at one time or another
« Last Edit: Nov 30, 2007, 11:53am by rattusamorus
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Graffiti artist, 15, follows in Banksy's footsteps By Sam Trendall Comment | Read Comments (37)
Cartrain satirises famous logos like that of MacDonalds A graffiti artist from east London is making a name for himself with stunts and satirical stencils.
The name Cartrain name may be familiar to people as it appears all over Waltham Forest on walls and street furniture.
Now the 15-year-old, of Leytonstone, has started to look further afield to showcase his work.
He said: "I don't do any more work in Leytonstone because no one pays any attention.
"I have since moved into Brick Lane and Hackney, where there have been a lot of websites talking about me."
His work has also started to appear across central London.
Banners carrying his distinctive emblem have been seen hanging from bridges and his stencils have been sprayed on walls opposite the Houses of Parliament.
His work often depicts political figures including Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and George Bush.
He also satirises the famous logos of fast food companies KFC and McDonald's.
He said: "I find it very offensive when big companies have big adverts that make you feel small unless you buy their crap.
"Councils are very quick to tell you how much graffiti costs but not so quick to tell you how much they get from advertising."
Cartrain first started doing graffiti when he was 12 and soon came up with his signature.
"The name Cartrain is a random name that I made up when I was thinking of tag names."
Despite some early difficulties, he quickly began taking his work more seriously.
He said: "I only did small pen tags. I started off doing small stencils of text.
"But I got hold of a copy of computer graphics software Photoshop and my stencils have improved. It's very hard cutting out large stencils as it takes a lot of time and hurts your wrist."
There are also a number of other concerns for graffiti artists, including public criticism, the threat of being caught and the competitive nature of tagging.
Cartrain said: "Sometimes I worry about getting caught - you never know when a police car is going to go past.
"People that think graffiti is a nuisance should open their eyes. Graffiti doesn't tell people to buy crap they don't want, unlike advertising. I consider my work artistic and creative, not mindless rubbish designed to annoy people.
"I have a rule that I won't write on people's property. Tagging can be very territorial, it's about getting your name around more than anyone else. If you go over someone or they don't like your style, they will put a line through your work."
Cartrain's profile continues to increase thanks to his high volume of work across the city and his contributions to the YouTube website. His work even appears in the music video for the song Glory Days by Just Jack.
Cartrain's finest hour came when he sneaked a fake exhibit into the British Museum.
He produced a plate titled Nike Footware (sic) and hung it in the museum while a friend filmed him.
The information accompanying it claimed it dated from 2800 BC and showed a man wearing trendy Nike footwear, "made for pennies and sold for pounds".
The museum has insisted it was removed within a few hours, but Cartrain maintains it was on display for three days.
The incident received coverage on the London Tonight television programme and a clip from the show, as well as Cartrain's original footage, can be seen on Youtube.
The stunt was reminiscent of Bristolian graffiti artist Banksy, someone Cartrain has always admired.
He said: "The British Museum idea was Banksy's. He has been a huge inspiration for me.
"I've sent him a few emails showing him my work and he sent me a signed piece of his work in the post. I went to an exhibition and a similar piece, but unsigned, went for £10,000."
Cartrain will continue to take sideswipes at companies and politicians for a while yet, but he is unsure what the future holds for him and his work.
He said: "I think, with my graffiti, I will continue to do it for a few more years and not make a huge career out of it and abuse the graffiti market."
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